OpenSUSE 11.0 review, part 3
The desktop and included programs
We installed the GNOME desktop by default (the liveDVDs are all inclusive and allow the user to choose a desktop, where liveCD users will need to pick a KDE4 or GNOME based image before downloading). We later looked at the KDE4 live environment to get a feel for how both desktops operate on the system. KDE 3 is still available in the OpenSUSE 11.0 repositories, as well Xfce and a number of window managers, should they be more your style.

We like OpenSUSE's presentation of the GNOME desktop. The elegance goes beyond the easily changed things color choices and themes, and gives the feeling that OpenSUSE's developers knew what functions and features to "brand" and which to leave alone. Yes, when you use OpenSUSE 11.0, you are aware of it. It is unique, but not at the cost of function. There is always easy access to utilities such as YaST and the Control Center on the GNOME menu, but the presence of these applications doesn't complicate or clutter the menu at all.

Certainly our favorite bit of GNOME on OpenSUSE 11.0 in terms of presentation is the look of YaST, the frontend of the package management system. It's clean, it's easy to sort with pull down menus, and icons with corresponding functions are easy to decipher. The KDE side of YaST is not quite so pretty (to the point that we find it annoying), but we are still taking a lot of comfort in the speed of the whole deal.
Hey, if KDE's YaST is a little ugly, it's not so bad. Installs and updates are much faster, so we don't spend as much time looking at it.

The KDE4 version of OpenSUSE 11.0, though very pretty, is less impressive in terms of ease of navigation. It's hard to tell if moving around the desktop is more difficult due to the general layout of KDE4 menus, or if there is something more OpenSUSE could have done to make getting from point A to point B easier.
We also want to note for the sake of fairness that the KDE4/OpenSUSE screenshot here was a capture from the liveCD, and doesn't have the nice graphics drivers installed. A permanent install with the proper resolution can work wonders.

Both desktops are responsive and stable, and it is pretty safe to say that no matter which you prefer, the underlying bits of OpenSUSE 11.0 will do them both justice.
Both desktops include many commonly used open source applications. OpenOffice 2.4.0 is included in a default install, as well as Firefox 3 (though still in beta). The OpenSUSE sticks to the desktop-developed versions with other applications -- F-Spot is the GNOME digital photo management software, and digiKam does the same in KDE, for instance. Regardless of desktop installed, many users will find that they're able to do a majority of their common computing activities from the start.
A word about graphics cards and drivers
The machine we installed OpenSUSE 11.0 has an NVIDIA graphics card. Installing the proprietary drivers via the instructions on NVIDIA's site seems very daunting on any OpenSUSE version. This is due in part to the proprietary nature of the NVIDIA drivers, which makes things difficult for any Linux distribution.
Here's where we discover a neat feature of OpenSUSE in general: the 1-Click-Install. We recommend giving the OpenSUSE 1-Click-Install NVIDIA drivers a spin. The only requirement here is that you are connected to the online YaST repositories (usually set up during installation). Installation and configuration should be automated after that point. (ATI drivers are also available for 11.0 via 1-Click-Install.)
Oh, and about those installs...
YaST, regardless of your desktop choice, is going to behave (if not look) the same way. YaST is used to add, remove or update your system's software packages (among other administrative tasks). Most people know it in its graphical form that runs on the X server. It also runs as a console based application from the command line.
The real star of OpenSUSE 11.0's packaging system is Zypper. It's a command line install tool that works with a number of repositories and resource objects (things like packages, updates and patches). Like YaST, it will update and cache repositories when you first use it. This takes a few seconds, depending on internet connection. The OpenSUSE 11.0 version of Zypper, once the repositories are updated and the command is given, absolutely flies through the install.
This is a crowning achievement. Success with Zypper was all over the charts in earlier versions. Some people had no issues, some said it was slower than other command line install methods (including apt-get commands). But where we're shy about saying the openSUSE liveCD installer is significantly faster than Ubuntu's ubiquity, we will say with absolutely no qualms that Zypper outperformed apt-get on the command line.
OpenSUSE has always been a strong option for new Linux users, and users who wanted a distribution they could grow with. We always had a few reservations about recommending it, mainly because of speed and package handling issues. OpenSUSE has made monstrous strides in these areas between the 10.3 release and today.
The little geeko is a different animal than the Hardy Heron, but its proven ability to adapt and innovate gives it a much more secure niche in the Linux ecosystem.


Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
revolutiondude said 11:30AM on 6-19-2008
I don't know.....I would love to switch to openSUSE, but Ubuntu is working just fine for me, even though I've always had problems installing those ati drivers.
What would make me want to change to openSUSE?
What is the BIGGEST difference between the two (when using gnome)?
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Kristin Shoemaker said 11:47AM on 6-19-2008
Ultimately it does come down to a matter of personal preference, although the two things that irked me about openSUSE after I had used Debian based distributions are essentially taken care of in this release... GNOME (anyway) has a much better YaST interface. In some ways, I like it even better than Synaptic.
Zypper has fixed the rpm issues I had. It is really smooth and very fast compared to apt-get.
The main thing I've always liked more about OpenSUSE than Ubuntu is that OpenSUSE seems better able to accommodate that sometimes I don't want the easiest, most direct way of getting a problem solved. (Bear with me here). There have been times I have needed to "adapt" fixes and how-tos with Ubuntu, and it can get tricky, because it tries a little too hard to protect me from myself. Sometimes I need that protection and other times, it makes my problem that much more difficult to solve.
OpenSUSE is a distro with old-school training wheels, in many ways. If I need a quick, easy fix to an issue, it's there. However, if it doesn't work for whatever reason, and I need to whip out the hammer and chisel to get the issue resolved, OpenSUSE doesn't get in my way.
In this release, they've done a lot to make the distro more welcoming and accessible, and still managed to allow the freedom to easily make any intricate modifications that you might need.
Christian said 1:31PM on 6-19-2008
Just wondering, could this be installed on the PS3?
I would love to put this on my PC but I still am hesitant to do so as I'm not Linux savy yet.
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Kristin Shoemaker said 1:41PM on 6-19-2008
It appears you can... From what I understand it uses an alternate kernel you can call at boot time. There is some information here on the alpha/beta versions of 11.0: http://www.nabble.com/Installing-OpenSUSE-11-alpha3-on-PS3-td16494385.html#a16539691 and I imagine that probably there are a few out there that will give the final a try and share details on how it's done in the upcoming days.
That being said, it actually looks like it could be more of a dicey situation for someone who is new to it all than a dual boot scenario on a PC. (Dual boot set ups can be intimidating, but OpenSUSE makes it pretty straight forward, and I think the chances are less that you'll have any exotic/weird driver issues after the fact, though admittedly I don't know a whole lot about the standard hardware on the PS3.)
Zonker said 3:04PM on 6-19-2008
Yes, please see http://en.opensuse.org/PS3 to see how you can install it on a PS3. Enjoy!
Bufsabre said 1:40PM on 6-19-2008
i love me my opensuse, im downloading the dvd copy to upgrade it right now. been waiting for this a long time, i love ubuntu and use ubuntu on another computer but opensuse just has alot more refined feeling to it, if youre new to linux or just feel like distro hopping id suggest it, i know some zealots out there would tell you novell is the scum of the earth or whatever, but ive yet to see anything bad come of their deal with microsoft at all
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Hel said 4:02PM on 6-19-2008
Looks real slick, but I'm going to stick with Ubuntu. My reason? Bigger installed user base. If software is going to be targetted at Linux, then the first distro developers are going to think about getting it working with is probably the one with the most users. Likewise, more users equals more how-to's, walkthroughs, and help in general. Back when I ran Gentoo, I was always trying to tweak Ubunto instructions to work with Gentoo. Now that I run Ubuntu, there's less guesswork.
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~Karolis said 5:20AM on 6-21-2008
I think you are not quite right here. If you look at lat 30 day's results at DistroWatch.com, OpenSUSE has more users now.
Reason?
I think it's because Hardy just has too many holes in it and then OpenSUSE 11 comes out, which seems to be very promising, so a lot of people check it out.
So in the end, if OpenSUSE 11 proves to be better than Hardy, by the time Intrepid is released, ubuntu might just be biting the dust :)
P.S. I am ubuntu user.
KennV said 12:43AM on 8-20-2008
Hmmm.... I've been thinking about the installed user base thing lately...
IMHO, Ubuntu has a very large install base of NEW users, where as SuSE which has been around for much longer has an almost as large install base of experienced users. Of course there are going to be exceptions to this rule but I believe on the whole it just may be a true statement.
So when you run into a real dilly of a problem, someone using Opensuse may have an easier time finding a solution. (I'm thinking of problems more involved than say a driver not working)
But like I said, this is just my opinion.
Have a good one.
Kenn
Bufsabre said 4:56PM on 6-19-2008
well i finished my upgrade to opensuse 11 and i have to say, wow, it really is SIGNIFICANTLY faster, the install, boot, even package work, the suse and novell folks really know how to put a nice polished os together
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Kristin Shoemaker said 5:01PM on 6-19-2008
Seriously... it actually still floors me, how fast and what an amazing change it is... I am really looking forward to what they roll out next.
Some Guy said 11:02AM on 6-22-2008
http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/296
and
http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/309
Eniak said 6:27AM on 6-20-2008
OpenSUSE has always been my favorite distro. But since I left my old PC in my hometown and bought a Mac where I live now... I had to learn to love Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the only distro I tried that works flawlessly with triple-booting (OS X, Linux and Win)... I've tried OpenSUSE 10.3 and Mandrivia and both of them were too tricky to be red by the rEFIt loader. I know it's possible to do it, but I just ain't that smart... I'm planning to get myself a fresh new PC by the end of the year and for sure It will be running OpenSUSE :)
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eleefece said 12:56PM on 7-15-2008
I prefer OpenSUSE over Ubuntu just for one thing: PPC support!!! why ubuntu? why?
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