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Comcast shuts down Winer
Thanks to the recent BitTorrent debacle, Comcast has been far from Comcastic for many of its customers. Throttling customers for using technologies they deem too data intensive is pretty nasty, and the company has had to acquiesce and change its practices, but what happens when they disconnect your service (and threaten to keep you shut-down for 12-months) for "excessive usage" -- yet refuse to issue that threat in writing or tell you what "excessive usage" really means? Well, that is exactly the situation Dave Winer, tech analyst, pioneer and RSS God, has found himself in. Comcast has restored his service, but still says they will shut him down for up to 12 months if he doesn't alter his usage patterns. The kicker? They won't tell him what level he needs to adjust his usage patterns to in order to stay compliant.
Can they do this? Especially without issuing the warning in writing? And what exactly defines, "excessive" in Comcast's terms? Many of us here at Download Squad use Comcast and we DO love to download, so this issue bothers us both on principle and for practicality. Although Comcast has been more receptive via their @Comcastcares Twitter account than they were via phone, this whole situation makes us very, very uncomfortable.
We spoke to Dave earlier today (the podcast of our conversation is here) and this is what he had to say:
"I thought it was an outage and they said I had to call a special number and that I had been disconnected as a matter of policy."
That policy, was apparently an ambiguous clause in the contract that allows Comcast to shut-down customers for what they deem excessive usage.
So what is excessive in this case? Comcast told Dave his usage was in the 450 GB a month range. That's pretty hefty, no doubt, but is it hefty enough to cut off a customer's service without doing more than calling the number on file (which in Dave's case, was an old cell phone that was no longer in service)? We don't think so. This seems like the sort of information that should be communicated in writing.
Additionally, Dave described the treatment and attitude from Comcast as extremely hostile. "It was like I was back in high school and in the principal's office," Dave said, "and he was telling me I might not be able to graduate but without saying what GPA I needed to get off probation."
Instead of working with Dave and trying to find a solution to meet his needs (though again, to be fair, Frank from @comcastcares has been much, much more helpful and understanding), they are essentially bullying him. At the very least Comcast should let customers know what the limits of acceptable usage are. Especially if they are going to tout their advantages in speed and service over DSL in their advertisements. Customers should know going in that there are caveats to that kind of speed.
Frankly, we don't think it is the customer's problem if Comcast can't scale bandwidth at advertised rates to all of their subscribers. Communicating acceptable usage limits with customers directly and offering a solution (even if that means moving to a commercial account -- something Dave would have been more than happy to entertain) rather than cutting off service and refusing to back threats of pro-longed cancellation in writing makes much more sense.
On a legal level (and we are not writing this with any legal background or conjecture), Comcast may be technically clear, but basic consumer protection policies would seemingly make many of these threats baseless. We'd love to hear from actual lawyers on how a company can and cannot issue service changes or potential denials of service.
Look, we don't think that Comcast should have to offer unlimited bandwidth at unlimited speeds to every customer. They are a business and they do need to maintain balance on their network. However, we find the current way that they are handling the situation to be unacceptable. We think it is important that consumers and customers appeal to ISPs (in this case Comcast) and the FCC in ensuring that better transparency is achieved in situations like this in the future. Less ambiguous contract terms and a clear-cut communication with customers would result in better relationships and better service for everyone.


Reader Comments (Page 2 of 2)
JT said 3:03AM on 4-17-2008
Looks like they turned him off again for a few hours.
http://twitter.com/davewiner/statuses/790876246
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DW said 4:15AM on 4-17-2008
Comcast, like any other ISP has a TOS which will loosely states that they can do most anything once they post it on their website. Most users don't take the time to read the TOS or they would know that Comcast has had the following posted since Jan, 2008 and had revised the TOS prior to that on P2P File sharing. Please read the following or go to their website @ http://www.comcast.net/terms/use/ to read how they have covered their arse.
Technical restrictions:
use or run dedicated, stand-alone equipment or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises local area network ("Premises LAN"), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited equipment and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;
It does suck for the Power Users to be told that your ISP can and will flip off your data switch but they can and Government will back them because of the PACs they support, most people forget that cable companies started because people wanted commercial free TV, but look at TV today, more commercials then shows and most of the shows that are on are repeated dozens of times on different channels. So you see we are actually lucky they haven't made the net ad sponsered yet like TV or you'd never get anything downloaded because of the traffic.
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pathfinda said 10:24AM on 4-20-2008
I had the same thing happen to me.
Comcast claims that they couldn't get in contact with me and they simply killed the account. They didn't tell me what the magic download number was.
I turned around and got a Comcast Business Account. I talked to my account rep and asked him point blank: Will I lose this account due to "excessive" downloads and was told no. They also tried to feed me the same bull that the connection was better and more reliable. Yet, they did no new wiring to my house.
That was six months ago... We shall see..
FYI. There have been ongoing discussions on this subject for months on dslreports:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19038478-Comcast-Bandwidth-AbuseLimits-Discuss-here-only
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cpanel training said 3:21AM on 4-21-2008
Comcast can be ruthless they paid people to set in the seat at a public hear so that all the seats were taken up by people that wouldn't bring up any questions of value. The people that had the seats were not the ones that needed to be there.
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Joe M. said 9:58PM on 4-21-2008
I have to disagree with the comments about Comcast not having to disclose their bandwidth caps.
If you offer service that is advertised as unlimited, I don't think that you should be able to arbitrarily punish people for exceeding those limits. Sure, Tell them to stop exceeding the limits or else. But without a number not to exceed how does the customer know how much he/she can download without causing a problem? Further how does one evaluate and compare alternative ISPs whom all advertise "unlimited" data? Legally, if Comcast is under no obligation to provide any sustained data rate, i.e; 450GB/month or 1GB/month, what exactly are any of us paying for?
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