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Professor on a crusade to stop Google and Wikipedia in the classroom
At the University of Brighton, Professor Tara Brabazon has taken it upon herself to purge the classroom of the likes of Wikipedia and Google, saying that, "Too many students don't use their own brains enough. We need to bring back the important values of research and analysis." Apparently, the work of students has been "banal" as a result of search engines - which caused her to ban them altogether in her classes.Her reasoning is probably grounded in what may be a real problem: that sites like Google and Wikipedia do make it easier to throw things together, and that indeed, the convenience these sites provide may cause students to not put in as much effort into researching projects as they would if they did not have these resources.
Call us old fashioned if you will, but banning things generally doesn't really solve problems. If she really needs higher quality work, as Robert Scoble pointed out, she should raise the standard for her grading criteria. It's highly unlikely that students will be more motivated to work harder just because they are denied using Google and Wikipedia in their coursework.
Then again, she might just be saying these things to get a rise out of people and some nice PR for her speaking gig, "Google Is White Bread For The Mind." Yes, and banning access to resources in an attempt to get students to produce better work is, like what, whole wheat?
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Tim said 7:34PM on 1-14-2008
No, it's just removing the "white bread" and hoping they find and use the whole grain. I agree that her students would be better served by a raised grading standard. Banning solves nothing.
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kojo87 said 8:26PM on 1-14-2008
im sick of all my teachers bashing Wikipedia just because its peer edited. if i cant cite Wikipedia i just look at the source list and cite those.
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m said 1:45AM on 1-17-2008
And frankly, we're sick of lazy students who don't understand that assignments are designed to teach them important skills. You're only cheating yourself, kid. Your lousy grammar speaks for itself.
I've had a shocking number of students-- college students-- who don't have a library card, or don't even know where the library is. The system isn't doing them any favors by letting them slide by with shortcuts like Wikipedia. Web resources are just that: resources. They are not a substitute for basic research skills. Their future employers might not be as patient.
Carl Rudy said 8:46PM on 1-14-2008
I strikes me as the term "banned" that she uses, isn't used in the same way as say censorship (i.e. banned books). Anyway, as long as a student is referencing their original, credible sources in a citation then they have no reason to worry that they are being "banned". Wikipedia is not in it's self an academic research reference thats why every article is referenced and cited so you can see the original sources of information. As a college educator myself, (although not actively involved in teaching courses that involve as heavy a writing/research component as the ones she seems to be teaching) I understand wanting to uphold a higher standard to academic/scholarly writing.
I love wikipedia, and google is the first direction that I turn when searching, but I also understand that it is very easy to not find written work that has the appropriate backing to be credible. (although I'll be the first to admit that the content control of encyclopedias can be just as casual as wikipedia). College libraries are designed for research though, and have many resources (publications/journals) that either would cost the average student too much money for one paper/class (heck, text books left me armless and legless in my undergrad studies) or be inaccessible in an online format.
That nasty "P" word shows up too in college writing too much, plagiarism is a rampant problem in quite a few gen-ed/"casual" courses. When papers start to show a mix of amazon book reviews, wikipedia articles and babble fish translations, (don't laugh! I've seen them all!) then college educators begin to be more motivated to push students to more credible/academic sources.
Just some thoughts, all starting with the idea that ban may not mean censor.
-Carl
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Scott said 9:19PM on 1-14-2008
Learning the old way can't hurt -- we've all had a math teacher who made us learn to solve equations that our calculators could work out in seconds -- but a flat ban of the new way seems like overkill.
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jccalhoun said 10:43PM on 1-14-2008
I can see banning wikipedia in college because it is an encyclopedia and you shouldn't be using an encyclopedia in college. But banning google? That's just moronic. So students couldn't use scholar.google.com? I use it just about every day (I'm a phd student) and it is a lot quicker to use it than to log into the university's vpn, then log onto the library website, then find the right database for what I'm looking for and look it up.
Not to mention that I used google's site search to find her page at Brighton because Brighton's search didn't turn up anything of value.
She also has a book out, "he University of Google: education in the (post)information age" so I'm guessing she might be interested in getting some publicity for that...
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Jack said 9:17AM on 1-15-2008
I should hope she's not gonna ban Google Scholar as well, which is as good as, if not better than PubMed. I believe being able to get a grasp of the subject is extremely important before further study into it. Wikipedia provides a simple overview which can be extremely helpful.
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oturnbull said 10:05AM on 1-15-2008
why remove the likes of wikipedia and google from the classroom - what are people going to use to get information in adult life - wikipedia/google OR a textbook.
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James said 12:56PM on 1-15-2008
All I'm saying is, in the outside world I call Google "my other brain" ("I don't know what that error message means, let me ask my other brain", etc) and have basically become dependent on Internet searches like some kind of frickin' Borg.
Maybe that's not a good thing, per se, but on the other hand I think I am a lot more productive than I would have been trying to work everything out for myself. Of course, it might be different with my line of work (technical design/coding and support) versus, say, critiquing a novel for an English prof.
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Man said 3:40PM on 1-15-2008
Taking engineering classes you find there is no good information on Google/Wikipedia but it is great for simplifying complex ideas.
I took one liberal arts class( unfortunately mandatory) and the professor announced that 26 of 28 reports handed were plagiarized, and then banned Google/Wikipedia/CliffNotes. The class was mostly freshmen and only myself and another senior actually used books to get information.
By the 2nd report most students still did the same, because they did not know what else to do.
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Paul Camp said 9:32AM on 1-18-2008
I just failed the bulk of my physics students on a project because all they did was Google up a commercial design and give a book report on it. Grades can only go so far. When students are happy (or at least will go along) with the grade they get, that's the end of the motivation. The problem is two fold -- students don't know what to do in an independent project (because they never had to do it in high school), and they've come to rely on Wikipedia and the like to enable them to throw something acceptable together at the last minute. It was permissible in high school, and they actually get offended when their grade suffers.
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Paul Camp said 9:36AM on 1-18-2008
And having said that, I should also say a couple of other things. First, in my astronomy class, I do allow the use of Wikipedia et. al. to generate ideas and identify resources for projects. But by the time they hand in the final version, they'd better be relying exclusively on primary sources. Second, students are less motivated by grades when there are many components of a course that go into a grade. When I incorporate exams, recitation, labs, homework and projects into a course grade, it is easy to convince oneself that it will be ok to let one component slide and make it up elsewhere. That never works, but it always happens.